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	<title>Comments on: Test Drive: Phoenix Motorcars electric Sport Utility Vehicle</title>
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		<title>By: Help me out, what car did I see? - SVTPerformance</title>
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		<dc:creator>Help me out, what car did I see? - SVTPerformance</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Jun 2009 21:57:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Test Drive: Phoenix Motorcars electric Sport Utility Vehicle [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Ciborium</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ciborium</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Jul 2008 19:53:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The car is FWD and comes as a SUV or a SUT.</description>
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		<title>By: Ciborium</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ciborium</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Jul 2008 19:51:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The 250kW charger runs on 480 volt 3 phase, so you would not need 1000 amps, but then again you probably don&#039;t have 480v 3 phase in your garage either...

The article is incorrect when it states that the 10 minute charge is at your home.  

A charging station (if/when they ever get built) would have such a connection.  Many industrial buildings already have such connections.  I work at a new car dealer in the service dept.  We use 480v 3 phase for our air compressors, vehicle hoists, and some int/ext lighting.

Getting it put in your home garage though, would take some doing.  It may be against code and/or zoning to put it in a residential garage.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The 250kW charger runs on 480 volt 3 phase, so you would not need 1000 amps, but then again you probably don&#8217;t have 480v 3 phase in your garage either&#8230;</p>
<p>The article is incorrect when it states that the 10 minute charge is at your home.  </p>
<p>A charging station (if/when they ever get built) would have such a connection.  Many industrial buildings already have such connections.  I work at a new car dealer in the service dept.  We use 480v 3 phase for our air compressors, vehicle hoists, and some int/ext lighting.</p>
<p>Getting it put in your home garage though, would take some doing.  It may be against code and/or zoning to put it in a residential garage.</p>
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		<title>By: Richard Poor</title>
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		<dc:creator>Richard Poor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Mar 2008 20:05:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Watch out Exxon!  Are you kidding? Exxon is partner in a Japanese Lithium motive battery company.  The Phoenix electric &quot;baja&quot; is goofy.  Get rid of the mini truck bed, lengthen the hood and make it a PHEV.  Regen saturation makes for a brake off surge that is dangerous...already experienced in mild form by Toyota Hybrid Camry drivers...watch out pedestrians!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Watch out Exxon!  Are you kidding? Exxon is partner in a Japanese Lithium motive battery company.  The Phoenix electric &#8220;baja&#8221; is goofy.  Get rid of the mini truck bed, lengthen the hood and make it a PHEV.  Regen saturation makes for a brake off surge that is dangerous&#8230;already experienced in mild form by Toyota Hybrid Camry drivers&#8230;watch out pedestrians!</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Mar 2008 18:28:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I still do not know if this is an  AWD or FWD car does anyone know.</description>
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		<title>By: NY Times overview of electric cars, and what&#8217;s coming.</title>
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		<dc:creator>NY Times overview of electric cars, and what&#8217;s coming.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Sep 2007 17:59:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] include the Tesla Roadster, Zap-X, Chevrolet Volt, Think City, Phoenix S.U.T. (see our post about a test drive of the Phoenix electric pickup), Wrightspeed X1, Electrum Spyder, Venturi Fetish and the Tango. They do not mention Miles [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] include the Tesla Roadster, Zap-X, Chevrolet Volt, Think City, Phoenix S.U.T. (see our post about a test drive of the Phoenix electric pickup), Wrightspeed X1, Electrum Spyder, Venturi Fetish and the Tango. They do not mention Miles [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Look out Tesla and Phoenix Motorcars, here comes the Baker 1909 electric coupe</title>
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		<dc:creator>Look out Tesla and Phoenix Motorcars, here comes the Baker 1909 electric coupe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Aug 2007 18:02:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] cars are on the radar these days, with models like the Tesla electric sports car, the Phoenix Motorcars electric four door pickup and the [...]</description>
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		<title>By: admin</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 30 May 2007 12:33:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good question! I wonder if the &quot;real&quot; home charger system would then take a lot longer to charge the car, based on the lower amperage. Or maybe it would require an electrician to set it up with its own breaker or something.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good question! I wonder if the &#8220;real&#8221; home charger system would then take a lot longer to charge the car, based on the lower amperage. Or maybe it would require an electrician to set it up with its own breaker or something.</p>
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		<title>By: Walter Puent</title>
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		<dc:creator>Walter Puent</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 May 2007 09:34:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The 250kW home recharger would require over 1000 amps.  The typical home has 200 amp service.  How do they do that?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The 250kW home recharger would require over 1000 amps.  The typical home has 200 amp service.  How do they do that?</p>
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		<title>By: greg woulf</title>
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		<dc:creator>greg woulf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Mar 2007 18:47:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The price tag of the battery pack isn&#039;t known publicly yet.

The number you got from $75,000 is from the first order of 10 packs sold to Phoenix for $750,000 for 10 battery packs. That covers so much more than just the 10 packs.

They pass off a lot of the development costs to the consumer and the consumer gets the publicity, and a guarantee of delivery and other related technology along with warranties I&#039;m sure.

It might cost more, it might cost less, right now Altair is still in the process of setting up their production facilities. I doubt they know what the pack will cost to make let alone sell for. 

When they have a price on their site then we&#039;ll know at what price they&#039;re selling to consumers at. The materials shouldn&#039;t cost more than a few thousand at most. A normal typical Lith-ion 15 kwh pack using off the shelf single cells would be about $4,500, and that&#039;s selling to the public price, I&#039;m sure their cost to produce is lower than that.

I don&#039;t know how complicated manufacturing is, it seems like if it was too complicated they wouldn&#039;t say they can produce thousands.

Pure Swag would put the cost of a 15kwh to produce at $10k, so after a couple of years of premium costs I&#039;d expect it to sell for $15k. 

I don&#039;t know, but I don&#039;t believe anyone does right now. I&#039;ve got my fingers crossed for EESTOR, they keep saying this year and I&#039;ll believe them until they miss the deadline.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The price tag of the battery pack isn&#8217;t known publicly yet.</p>
<p>The number you got from $75,000 is from the first order of 10 packs sold to Phoenix for $750,000 for 10 battery packs. That covers so much more than just the 10 packs.</p>
<p>They pass off a lot of the development costs to the consumer and the consumer gets the publicity, and a guarantee of delivery and other related technology along with warranties I&#8217;m sure.</p>
<p>It might cost more, it might cost less, right now Altair is still in the process of setting up their production facilities. I doubt they know what the pack will cost to make let alone sell for. </p>
<p>When they have a price on their site then we&#8217;ll know at what price they&#8217;re selling to consumers at. The materials shouldn&#8217;t cost more than a few thousand at most. A normal typical Lith-ion 15 kwh pack using off the shelf single cells would be about $4,500, and that&#8217;s selling to the public price, I&#8217;m sure their cost to produce is lower than that.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t know how complicated manufacturing is, it seems like if it was too complicated they wouldn&#8217;t say they can produce thousands.</p>
<p>Pure Swag would put the cost of a 15kwh to produce at $10k, so after a couple of years of premium costs I&#8217;d expect it to sell for $15k. </p>
<p>I don&#8217;t know, but I don&#8217;t believe anyone does right now. I&#8217;ve got my fingers crossed for EESTOR, they keep saying this year and I&#8217;ll believe them until they miss the deadline.</p>
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